XFusion RV1 - Smoke Chrome and new proto shock

Production is catching up... yup the Smoke Chrome RV1s are now available....

Some shots of last night's arrival... Shweet Creamy Schmoked Shilver...

And yup.. .that mystery prototype shock pop up in the fork packaging too...
Apart from asking for a 8.5 x. 2.5 to be sent over to me for testing- I have absozerolutely no info at this point of time and can only infer certain things based on the outward differences to other non-piggy air shock. Expecting a much firmer damping-- a solution to all those mid stroke wallow or segmented "telescopic" feel plaguing many of the other options in the market now? But like most other air shock in the non piggy class.. If this feels anything like the Vector HLR @ 30% sag but with the dial to firm up control on the climb,then its the final ticket for me on EG-lite.  Will see after mounting this weekend...

Good beefy feel and  not too much of a ho in my book @ 315...

Side by side with a Monarch RT3 for a size comparison. Both are 8.5 x. 2.5
Go figure why and what this new shock would be good for... ;)

Alright .... the sphincter contracting suspense got to be really killing by now..... .. so to spare further agony....

X-Fusion: ????? shock

Ramping of up to 9  forks catering to every class of mtb out there.. X Fusion is definitely upping the Game of Boink big time...

Recently been getting "X" stuff so fast, both new and existing -- I don't even have enough time to mount everything and test them out... Ok Ok that's gonna get a lot of people  really hating me for this.

Wait, read on...

And a surprise pic in the mail yesterday just when I thought there couldn't be any more new products lined up....

Whaddaya know! Looks like yours truly is yet again destined to receive the first of some yet to be released boink.... a rear shock this time. With absolutely zero info online. Don't think I should spell out the name. But a couple of sneak pics ouldn't hurt eh!


Was gonna get a regular O2 RCX for the lite EG as the Vector Air HLR felt more at home with DH and gnarlier ride duties. Moreover it felt to be overpowering the lighter and crisp XF 34mm Slant up front.

The main thing was the lack of a stiffened up compression needed for the intended purpose of the light-strike build. Usually I don't bother about this but I want the best out of saddle climbing for the lite EG when the need arise.

So yup the Vector is gonna be mated to the RV1 in big EG and this goes to the smaller EG.


First pic probably looks normal... but that is a pretty fat damper, much like the Vector HLR.
Let's take a look at one pitted against its smaller brethen, the O2 RCX

So there is-
Vector HLR - Fat Damper + Piggy
O2 RCX- Normal Damper No Piggy
Mystery shock - Fat Damper no Piggy

where does it fit in the gazillion categories of MTB these days?

With the rising popularity of Enduros... (and maybe FR) it might just get its very own. Other brands are also talking about "enduro shocks" these days.  Its probably splitting hairs to push for another category with some overlap on where it can be used. The naming and calling it a whatever-class-shock is part marketing for sur, but what I think is that this is also a design to cover the short comings of many a piggy-less air shock out there....

...too stiff with small vol. can and too wallowy with big vol can-- sounds familiar? Yea we have all been down that fiddling road with various PITA shocks...Will this one make the cut and do what it's supposed to do without resorting to expensive aftermarket mods?

Whatever it is,  I'm not complaining, that's for sure... since an actual prototype should be in my grubby paws by next week and the world hasn't even heard much of a toot. Stay Tuned.

I'm sure all of ya are squinting real hard trying to make out the name...
STABE?
STADE?
STARE?............ oh yea stare real hard, you just might make it out.

and remember-- you saw this here first ;)

Initial Thoughts: X Fusion RV1 -ing the EG

RV1 - dual crown
EG -  6" frame

Can already hear the crescendo of "Noooo" in the background.... Yup, generally it wouldn't be wise to push frames this way but it this wouldn't be the first dual crowned EG.

Have to say it's totally unnecessary, having absolutely no complain with the Vengeance Coil so far. But its just tempting to see how it feels like (and maybe just maybe... to "justify a FR/DH frame in the months to come ;).

Probably not very useful for most folks but let's see what can be be discovered from X Fusion latest offering anyway.


Before launching into what's done for those that might be entertaining similar thoughts...

.... Most of the features have been covered to death by the various usual bike sites- Pinkbike, BikeRadar, Bikerumor and Vitalmtb and more..

Spec weight on official website is  2767gm which probably does not include the carbon lower guards and the axle. Bikeradar stated the claim weight by XFusion was 2902gm.

Mine came in @ 2988gm all in, uncut steerer. Minus the guard, bolts and axle its still 2833gm.

155 gm diff!  Spec weight doesn't include steerer? ... well whatever, still pretty impressive grammage for a coil dual crown.

Clockwise from top left: All in weight, carbon guards and screws
Weight with guards and axle. axle weight.

Stealth matte black with what look like an anodized finish. To be honest I just wasn't sure cause Mg anodizing certainly isn't common with parts used in the mtb industry. With the guards removed that should appeal to the no-frill camp.. But having been bashed on their earlier years graphics (remember the eagle on the gen one Vengeance?) I have to say their graphics department has come a long way. As much as an anti-carbon person.. I'm keeping those guards on if only just for the design on it.

Before & After: First thing first... getting all those numbers down

The RV1 is internally adjustable to 180 but if there is one XF fork that ran counter to the trend of  their lineup axle-to-crown measurement- the RV1 seemed to be on the short side (all others in my experience-- Vengeance, Slant and Velvet had been longer). Well of course A-C in DH fork can be adjusted somewhat by moving the lower crown, it came in with factory installed setting of 205mm, just 5mm over the full travel length.

Double method measurement for better A-C accuracy.
Vengeance 565mm. RV1 ~571mm (mfr spec @ 569mm). Diff = 6mm
Line of sight + caliper method = 6.5mm difference

I did wished for one little thing on the Vengeance Coil 170mm, just a smite more in the A-C department, with a corresponding increase in the bb center to front axle while trying to make various arm and torso reach remain the say,  or at least can be adjusted to be. Everything looks just "perfect" at least on paper without having to change travel or move the lower crown for now.

Old measurements on the Veng:
Bar Height,
BBH with Minion DHf 2.5,
Crown-stem,
BB center-front axle

Have no way to really get the HTA and STA changes accurately beyond those crude apps on the phone... so gonna leave it at that for now. Certainly the front was raking out a little more during rides. The change is perceptible each time with each A-C increment from 36Talas - Veng Air - Veng Coil and now finally the RV1.

While there is always the second lighter EG for general trailing purposes but if there are things that can be pedaled on this tank wherever its taken to... I'll rather crank it out than to push, hence the tolerance and range of the few crucial measurements are rather tight for me as to how much I can slack it out

Can only measure so much before taking the bike out and actually ride it...

Yup, made it on all the dirty loose rocky switch back ups on pedal power..

Still have to test out the various dials and coordinate with the rear shock. All I can say now is the compression and rebound damping circuits are very different from any single crown fork I ever had.
To keep the front end from running out away from me.. rebound speed is a lot slower than norm...

Screwed up shoulder says no airtime for now but the speed drops taken is a lot more confidence inspiring on this fork.

Since it was still ok getting up-- just playing with the idea of slacking it out with an angleset another 1-2 deg so as not to slacken the STA and increase bar height...

Just for comparison

And the overall weight now? Its just a number.........

More to come later.

26 Oct
After today, I'm really contemplating an angleset on this setup, if only I can be sure to keep the RV1  the EG for a while... cos the climbing was really no different from the Vengeance Coil 170mm.. pretty much is pedal power all the way on the ups. Restrictive movement of dual crown takes a little getting used to but any would have been the same.

The one thing to keep the front and rear boinks in sync was to down my rear spring now to a 350lb instead of the usual 400 that has been on the bike for the last 3 years. Still the rear is tying hard to catch up to the front that simply butter out entire root stretches and on rock gardens. But I guess a poor man DH rig like this will have to live with a little less than optimal performance. Still trying to find a sweet spot in the rebound but have a feeling I'll have to dial in the rebound on different trails more often now...

X Fusion RV1 - Sneak Preview

Dirty has pulled it off again!
Sneak preview ... 1 of  the2 actual production pieces that has gotten out from the factory so far ;)


Long granny post to follow.....


    ok maybe just one more for those that can't wait

Vector HLR Air initial review (+updates)

Almost always too excited when it comes to new suspension parts... but decided to just hold back this time on both the X-fusion Vector Air HLR and the 34mm Slant.

Ok the Slant came earlier and had more trail time but I can't wait to describe the Vector Air first...

Vector HLR Air
First ride--if anything can be described as plush yet firm (because with all previous air shocks-- firm means getting that wet cardboard-ish feel). I attribute a portion of it after eye-balling to at least that massive (diameter-wise) looking damper !

Halfway thru the second ride after some higher speed run, seals seem to have broken in nicely but just felt that something on the inside would need a bit more mileage to get it really working.. Just a gut feel.

This is the closest to a coil comparing across all air shocks I had till date.. Hmmmm.. Yup linear in the first 2/3 of the stroke. Pretty much the same bottomless feel like my DSP Dueler Coil setup. However the shock never seem to use beyond 2ish" of its 2.5" stroke (total damper length is actually 2.75"). Might have been the 250psi loaded piggy but then for now this setting is sweet for normal trailing with lots of pedaling.

Riding over anything up to 3-4" root patches was plush but more importantly the rear tracks pretty much perfectly.
Rebound set @  is ~67% (22 of 33 clicks), a little higher than my usual on shocks but...

0 lo-comp as usual for me and hi comp at ~2/3 (10 clicks of 14-15)


Suspect that current rebound setting which is  ~2/3 to the fastest is a little too fast. But everything is manageable so far without the feel of getting bucked around on a bronco.

On the mid-stroke there is an unmistakable slow bounce (for lack of better words, think controlled+ feedback, not kick) over loose and rough. Something I like when sometimes trying out other people's bikes. Never seem to be able to replicate that feel with all the air shocks I had until now. With the Monarch RT3 and the RP2- they all have that dead wet cardboard feel.

Balancing bottom out with proper sag at best was a very narrow range on the RT3 and never felt optimal... impossible with the RP2 until at least some mod on it. Objectively I'm looking for a plusher tracking feel...

Definitely more breaking in needed at this point but  have a gut feeling the Vector Air might just get plugged into the bigger EG for more gravity oriented riding.... hmmm..



Update:  Mar 30th 2014

Well since XF sent over a new prototype shock which looks better suited for the small EG.. I gotten the Vector plugged in place of the Dueler on the bigger EG. No better time as I just jigged it the new RV1 during last month's trip for my annual biking pilgrimage.

The Dueler even after trying out with different spring rates. 350, 400 and 450-- was forever trying to play "catch-up" to the fork while I was trying to get the suspension to "talk" to each other... Not good. Still, out of paranoia since for the last 3 years I have always been using the Dueler during these trips.. brought it along in case I didn't like the Vector slashing down trails like Crazy Dust.

Plugged up the Vector HLR, drop the rebound click by click until it was at 45-50% out from fastest sealed the deal. Always steep and gnarly but this time of year in Chiang Mai was super dry and fast. Left the compression as it is .. All working well in the rear-- it was the front end I had to make some pretty drastic adjustment after day 1... down to 1 click of rebound!






Shock setting: remains at 33-35% sag(~85 psi @ my weight)
Piggy: dropped from my "Trail setting" of 250 psi to "DH setting" here @ - 235psi>SWEET SPOT
Rebound 45-50% out from slowest
Lo Comp: 2
Hi Comp: 10 ( I could have fidgeted a bit and so might be 8-11 during all the trying out)

(Note: for a shock with a max piggy rating @ 300psi-- going 250 for my weight is pretty high, other shocks in the past with the same max rating, usually my setting is between 180-200 at most)

Don't think there has been a better combination. Given that no matter what I do, the front will always be over-forked since the EG technically is a 6" bike but at least now it won't try to "run away" before the rear can recover even with a relatively slow rebound out back.. And if it is the case here then there really shouldn't be anything back home to worry about since the trails are way milder...

Apr 2014
Makes no sense to keep a DH fork up front on local trails so it was swapped back to me fav, Vengeance Coil. But the Vector stays.. convinced by now and probably might even sell of the Dueler if it ain't for nostalgic reasons. Damn the sentimental me arrghhh...

SHock is now finally finally well broken in with all the trial by fire riding in Thailand..

Back to local trail setting.. need no change with the new BT trail where everything is smooth and "park-like" But for the older more rooty jungle trails.. its just a matter of halving the hi-comp to get the whole bike to flow over those finger roots with ease with the seasoned shock by now.

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Vector HLR (2014 model)-- This shock works. Period. Once at proper sag. Experiment with minor psi change in the piggy to get the shock to really come alive. Its really sensitive to minor changes.

Realistically I would not use this as a "climbing shock" when there are all those out there to stiffen up the compression settings on the fly. But for a descending oriented application and general trailing-- it will still get you up there but won't win an xc race for sure. Of course can always ramp up the main chamber to stiffen things up..  but frankly I wouldn't bother with most of the roller-coaster riding locally.

Vector HLR Air

Finally... my first ever air shock with a piggy.

Since I'm pretty much bias against Fox these days, consideration for any of their latest offering with , Kashischmucks or whatever C.atered T.o D.ummies technology just didn't cross my mind. The Monarch Plus look good but given the experience now with RS shocks in the last 1.5 yrs... I didn't want to chance it.  Seems like RS through the years are still having all sorts of seal and funny little issues with their rear units.
 
Even with my affinity for X-Fusion, the choice wasn't easy to make.. Having tested an early Vector Air can-- quite frankly I didn't like it. There is a  "staggered" feel as it moves into the travel.. kinda like pulling or shortening a triple sectioned telescope and so I waited for it to be improved.. Been guinea pig and sending feedback to companies on how to improve their first generations components too many times. Besides this one isn't something I get to play for free...

Again when it comes to finishes, X-Fusion is impressive. No change in my take on this aspect for the Vector HLR Air. Very nicely machined bits. Nothing flimsy externally. Everything is clearly marked, no confusion as to whether turning it left or right is firm or soft.

33 clicks for the rebound and from a static "sit-down" test you can tell it has a very wide usable rebound damping range.

16 clicks of LSC and same for the HSC.

All's good and positive except for the HSC clicks.. rather faint and while adjusting, I can't help feeling like some safecracker. Almost needed a stethoscope. But then I'm used to the "no-click-dial-style" knobs on my DSP Duelers so it wouldn't be a problem for me. But for those fastidious folks who have to stick by exactly X no of clicks to swear by their perfect setting and needed a fast tune on the trail- this won't make you a happy camper.

Its a big shock. The piggy package and where all the dials are may make this a tight fit on some frames... mine had only 6-8mm clearance after installation

Thankfully LSC is still easily enough to access with just fingernails. A 2.5 hex from your multitool  makes access to rebound and HSC a lot easier than by hand

Oh for the weight conscious... ok it comes in at a whopping 24gm more than advertised. Big deal!

 Im really more concerned now how it rides...tinkering with setting and air pressure on the main and the piggy, my initial thoughts is to run it high (relative to other shocks) on the piggy, 250 psi, as that seems to really bring out the reactive-ness. However that was just a sit-N-bounce assessment so corrections at the trail is highly likely.

Another reason for the higher pressure on the piggy is the stated range is between 180-300 psi. Unlike some shocks where the minimum is ~120 psi. Also in the Xfusion site-- they explicitly stated that emulsification due to under pressuring of the piggy will not be warrantied... Im no engineer but given all the information I would say its probaby safe to stay at a pressure that is ~ mid range of the 2 extremes 240psi +/- 10   psi.

Main chamber is ~102 psi giving ~30% sag-- the "default" for Guapie frames...
But I have a strong feeling I might go with ~25% sag with this shock eventually... somehow at that sag it gave a better "feel good" factor... it was almost like a snappy coil like feel for those that like to use coil for trail riding... Well anyway there are always more way than one to achieve a particular feel... there's also a second option where the rocker can mount to give a different feel to the shock on this frame, so...let's see what goes later on.
(update: when shock has broken in 30% sag was at 95ish psi. Strange.. would have thought when seals break in it should go softer. Any the movement of the shock is even more linear with the break in)


And yes it pays to wait, didn't have that "telescopic" feel on this one after doing some bounce test.


All ready to rock but with the bloody haze condition in SG now there is just nowhere to go..

X-Fusion Slant

Perfect timing! Yet another instance of a new major piece of toy arriving, only that I have a flight to catch in a few hours. It always happen to me!

Been waiting for this to drop ~550gm off the front of EG2.

Just like all my other X-Fusion forks-- I always get more travel than bargained for. The 160mm Slant came out to be.................................. 175mm!

First thing that came to mind is that A-C is farked!

Wait.... Put it against my Vengeance Air 160mm  (which actually measured out to be 165mm)
Almost the same A-C!  ???? WTF...  The stanchion is definitely longer... looked again-- but the lowers on the Slant is apparently shorter by almost the same amount "gained" in the travel.

Ok -- now its just a matter of the fork's stiffness as the total exposed stanchions are close approaching the 180mm level. ..

Got to pack. Red eye flight coming up so just a couple of pics of the new fork. Full review to follow next week

15 May 2013

Vengeance (rear) vs Slant, A-C +/-2mm

Chiang Mai 2013

2012 hasn't been much of a riding year. Then I miss my year end biking vacation, thanks to all the jack-all projects at work. But as usual leave it to my lime-green fetish buddy harassing me into another trip at the end of January....

 With a little addition this time-- yes the Missus bags were packed too.

Ok, nothing was going smooth-- Got the rear wheel rebuilt and realize my front hub's busted. Can't really blame the manufacturer. Bearings won't stay in place and it's sure seen lots of abuse over the last 3 years.

Luckily there's a  few other 20mm TA around the house all laced up...

 Day1: Right off the bat on arrival... Here We Go Again. Bamboo & ChompView
"Ok Im gonna keep my front wheel from abuse"

Did someone say its dry season now in Northern Thailand? Yea rite! 4 out of 6 nights came in a mix of moderate splatter to serious thunderstorm.

Scooter: The perfect urban assault rig zipping around for good local food and shopping,  'cept when its rains...

All of that wetness sure made the early morning runs interesting to say the least. Slick off cambered on either sides of erosion--makes for avoiding riding in the ruts impossible at times. Don't really want to kill the trail anymore than necessary but really wasn't left with much of a choice at some sections.

Oh did I mention I came with a half-busted right arm too... rubbed a ton of Deep Heat before, during and after, might as well have brushed my teeth with the bloody stuff to numb the gums from the riding chatter.

Despite everything and my mind screaming "You are gonna break some body parts for sure. Just go sightseeing"..  but ride we sure did and after a couple of days, hooked up with the local riders too.

Just need an orange loving freak to complete the "Traffic Light Team".

Here's Note, my new friend taking off with a "You Jump What You Build" attitude before asking others to do it!
Ok, Greenie and me chicken out though...

EG, Looking smug as the only single crown given top spot at the bottom of the uplift. Then they lose me like 10 sec into the start of each run...

Who would have thought a size 8 wrench is ever needed on the trail!

A really scary WTF moment when me brakes suddenly went limp like some octogenarian reproductive organ halfway down a 3K descend.

If there is something I never learn, its video editing ...Will really have to remember getting the vid cam properly angled up next time too, otherwise it looks like I'm perpetually staring down the front wheel in the vid.... Half the time the cline looks more like this rather than the flatness portrayed by the wide angle lens.

Start of first rock garden @ Crazy Dust

Nothing new for the seasoned riders but as Chiang Mai is becoming more and more popular, for all those Singaporean riders readying for your first trip, do prep up your bike and gear up on the armor sensibly. I can guarantee this is nothing like the usual teletubbie trails we have back home. Have Fun and Ride Safe.

Oh give these Madmonkeys a shout on Facebook if u need some guide and uplift arrangements for your biking holiday there.


Stuttering bits and pieces snipped and stitched from the few days of riding as is. A short  mix of what the place has to offer. No Oscar nomination for sure.

Look out for the Flying-Rocket-EG-No-Rider jutsu "stunt" aka blooper by yours truly ;)
https://vimeo.com/59344863

its fork and f@^k

A new CSU spotting additional 10mm travel and a refined crown, some weird colored lowers with the fork's original 2010 cartridges. That's my rebuilt '2010' Vengeance HLR. 

Interesting?  But really this was a result of one woe after another in what was supposed to be a simple part replacement +  normal rebuild event. Well the bonus is I now have a somewhat "80% brand new" fork and learnt a few other things about fork maintenance.

Creaky CSU after 1+ yr of usage warrantied, no questions asked.

Stanchions not moving smooth after reinstalling-- initially thought it might be some vacuum... Troubleshooting the rebuild,  seems like the old lower's alignment is off. 

Yup its probably a little crude but free the uppers,  drop the axle and see if it goes through both legs of the lowers for the alignment check.

Apparently not and the fact that I could then twist it by hand until things align wasn't very reassuring.
Actually at that point I was mumbling to meself.. "Yea this is pretty much f^%ked". Leaves me wondering if the creak was really due to the fork uppers.....

Luckily somebody have spare lowers hanging around. Hell yea its good to have friends, save me more waiting time to order from the factory.. and this one probably meant to go with a  Specialized Status.

Well, here we go again.. *disassembly* >>> *assembly*  for probably the 50th bloody time within a week...

Yup, previously mentioned on how stiff and all the fork is ... so what could have happened?...  Given how the bike gets thrown when I bail plus a few really hard falls taken with the front bearing most of the brunt... I still say it is pretty strong after all my crash-test-dummy antics spanning from Singapore to Thailand in the past ~2 years. Wouldn't blame the design or manufacturer for the multiple bendosis state of the lowers.. 

Fate of the old lowers?...hmmm maybe some "light saber" stanchions in there and hang up in the bike room as functional art providing some extra lumens when wrenching.

Things noted...

The sealed cartridge damper can take between 70-85ml of fork fluid. Recommended factory oil change is 70-75 ml with 7.5wt oil. But last week Dirty had his paws all over the damper and put in 10wt filled to the max 85ml. The verdict now from compressing the fork is that its over damped and feeling rather progressive. That wouldnt be too much of a problem as intended build of bike would run great with a stiffer front.

But oil weight/ volume probably are affecting the rebound rate... too slow even when ramped to fastest setting. The reported squishing/cavitation as some users has mentioned is likely caused by the oil volume..if it isnt filled to the max then probably that's where it comes from as the damper rod is cycled.

Going by all things observed, less oil would probably means stroke action is likely more linear but starting stroke might need to add a little more low comp to offset. Ok all these just means more mucking around with the damper unit next time.

Frankly when the old oil was first poured, I didn't think it needed to be changed but of course one can't tell how much the oil would have degraded from just the eyeball-o-meter.

The fastest way to drop the number of max clicks ~15 of your hi-comp is to install the gold ano knob in reverse. Stupid me.. luckily no damage done to this rather delicate portion of the fork. Easily rectified once you realize what's the problem.

If some black plastic washer drops out along the way (~10mm diameter) seemingly out of nowhere -- fret not, check the 2 respective nuts (as pointed by red arrows in pic below) meant to tighten down and hold down each end of your fork.

In both, underside of the nuts has a  recess for this black spacer. Just press it back in. BTW a rebuild kit should come with these new spacers... these I think are meant to be replaced and seal the hole area on the bottom end of lowers to prevent fluids (~15-20ml) in the open bath from dripping out. My old ones looks ok -- so being cheap I'm saving the new ones for future rebuilds.

DON'T skim on the 15-20ml oil to be poured into the lowers. The fork is not going to work right without it (update on 4 Oct 2012)

Wrenching Therapy

Try fighting failing eyesight and achieve Zen-ness without cursing through a hot sweltering humid evening at the same time. And DON"T drop those fekking nano sized bearings cocked upon the equally tiny springs right under the rebound cap....

To be frank, the fork is way past what should have been regular servicing time and the last year plus hasn't exactly been rides on the pavements. Internally its still pretty uncontaminated.

As I'm getting a new CSU (Crown Steerer Unit) to replace this current creaky one fork is given a total dismembering. Damper cartridge left intact till oil change tomorrow.

Tools-- just size 13 and 28 (or was it a 30) socket wrench bits and hex keys and a pin wrench.

• Remove red rebound dial... tiny screw holding it can get easily rounded
• Uber careful not drop the 2 tiny springs and detent bearings for the rebound.
• Remove compression knobs (blue and gold) from the damper tail end. Exercise care not to hit or dent this part, else you're pretty much f**ked.
• Remove damper cartridge by pulling out from the TOP .. if its been left too long, lubricant might have more or less dried up and requires a bit of effort to pull out.
• Purge air chamber fully before removing spring side air valve capping unit. Depress Schraeder valve, compress stanchions fully, press to release residual air. Repeat before putting a size 28 socket wrench to open up 

These are the points that you need to be aware of and exercise caution

Where is the step by step pictorial instructions??? Not tonight... sweating globs with the usual gunked up fingers, I'm not gonna muck around with the phone-cam every few secs. If you cant dismember without having a full pictorial laid out in front of you... no offense but this level of maintenance is probably not for you now... 

To be continued....